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Alexandre's avatar

Great, once again, Neil.

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Neil A. Abrams's avatar

Thank you!

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

"Eminent scholars need to stop embarrassing themselves with policy proposals that endanger people’s lives. "

I agree, please never say anything again Neil

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Todd Jorgensen's avatar

You’re a really sad individual Kit.

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

Cunt

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Todd Jorgensen's avatar

😂 Kit, I’m Australian and we kind of own that word so I know you aren’t saying it properly, but really funny part is that you’re pretending to be a serious journalist while calling randoms “cunt” because they hurt your feelings. 👍

Go Grayzone.

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Neil A. Abrams's avatar

Kit the app won’t let me see, but did you “like” your own comment? Please tell me, I need to know. Thx

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

Neil, the app won't let me see, but do you have a network of sockpuppets to create the false illusion literally anyone reads your Godawful writing? It would explain a lot. I can imagine you're deeply insecure about your blog's lack of traction, given you're so delusional you suggested Aaron Maté interacts with you to boost his visibility.

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Todd Jorgensen's avatar

OMG, 🤦🏼‍♂️ You won’t learn…

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Nicolas Llurchenco's avatar

The great Kit Klarenberg has chimed in

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Kit Klarenberg's avatar

Banana

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Alexandre's avatar

ahhh, the sad stalker creeps in :) Hi, there!

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Nicolas Llurchenco's avatar

Ah -

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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

Ukraine appears to be an inferior state to Russia (compare for instance their gdp per capita before the war, amongst other metrics). At best you could call them functionally equivilaint societies (which makes sense, they are basically the same people).

It seems quite unlikely that rule by Kiev versus rule by Moscow will have any meaningful impact on the lives of ordinary people. This probably goes double in the more Russia friendly eastern territories.

As such the war itself is just a huge waste. Fighting over an outcome that doesn’t matter.

I guess if you believe that Ukraine has all this hidden potential it’s just waiting to unlock if only it kicked the Russians out you could have a different opinion, but that doesn’t seem to match the evidence. It’s a loser country, and we’ve tied ourselves to a corpse like we did with a lot of our third world interventions.

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KNB186's avatar

"But why, one wonders, has Russia not doubted the very same guarantee long extended to Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania? "

The difference is that when the Baltics joined, they did not have any active territorial disputes. Ukraine on the other hand will have a territorial dispute with Russia for the foreseeable future. Ukrainian NATO membership would therefore risk either World War III or it would water down the Article 5 pledge.

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Neil A. Abrams's avatar

Both Estonia and Latvia had unresolved border disputes with Russia at the time they joined NATO.

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KNB186's avatar

By that you mean Ivangorod? In theory true, but in practice that's a territory Estonia lost in the 1940s. That would be like Germany claiming Silesia and East Prussia today.

A better analogy to Crimea/Donbass would be if Narva broke away from Estonia, something that almost happened in the 1990s.

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Ben's avatar

Neil, Neil, Neil. Don't listen to Chicken Littles like Russia's own CSTO military allies who keep saying wild stuff about Russia being a danger to all its neighbors. That's rubbish!

You should visit Salisbury's Cathedral Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary, "famous not just in Europe, but in the whole world." I'm sure it would renew your faith in humanity.

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